Parish no longer consulted on licence applications

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Alderley Edge Parish Council are not happy that they are no longer being consulted about licence applications.

Speaking at the Annual Parish Meeting on Monday, 14th May, Cllr Frank Keegan said "Cheshire East has no statutory obligation to consult with the Parish Council anymore. They have taken the view that if CEC invites submissions from the Parish Council and residents then it will be deemed that they are inviting objections."

Cllr Mary Maczkowiak said "I am seriously not happy about this. The residents of the village have a right to say what is in the centre of the village."

A Cheshire East Council spokesperson said: "As a local authority, it is our responsibility to deal with licensing applications in a fair and unbiased way. We need to ensure both the applicants and any objectors have equal opportunity to have their say.

"In order to ensure the same way of working across the areas of each of the three predecessor districts, a decision was taken that the non-statutory requirement of notifying town and parish councils (which was only previously done in the area of the former Macclesfield Borough Council) would stop. This decision was taken after looking at the risk of challenge to decisions, which may arise if the Council could be seen to be 'soliciting' responses.

"However, town and parish councils still have the opportunity to comment on licensing applications, as do all residents, by checking on the Council website, where all applications are published. Applicants are also required to publish a notice of application in both a local newspaper and on site."

Parish Councillors agreed to write to our MP George Osborne to "express their concern about how CEC is interpreting guidance and ask whether this is the standard interpretation."

Click here to read Cllr Frank Keegan's annual planning report which was delivered at the Annual Parish Meeting on Monday, 14th May.

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Cheshire East Council, Licence Applications, Parish Council
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Louise Mason
Thursday 24th May 2012 at 2:55 pm
Cllr Mary Maczkowiak said "I am seriously not happy about this. The residents of the village have a right to say what is in the centre of the village."

In light of recent discussions on here, I am just wondering.... when can the residents say it?
Mike Norbury
Thursday 24th May 2012 at 8:16 pm
hmm not nice when you cannot put your point of view across on things that effect the village you live in is it? . Welcome a.e.p.c to how it feels not to be able to say your piece on local issues that concern everyone . we have to put up with not much of a voice on issues in the village >
Duncan Herald
Tuesday 29th May 2012 at 4:17 pm
When someone on the Parish Council was asked to 'do' licensing stuff, well that's me.
I won't bore you with a great tract on the subject but suffice to say that i.m.h.o. any application is very heavily weighted in favour of the applicant e.g. objection has to be evidential; how can you evidence that an application will be detrimental to the public until after the event?

Louiise & Mike... the P.C. have accepted that the public can of course have the 20 minutes, that they wished for, at the start of every P.C. meeting and that the conditions then will be pretty much the same as at CEC meetings, which again is what was called for, by the public, at the recent Parish Meeting. So do please come along and voice your opinions.
Or you can always, if you have a particular axe to grind, talk to a particular Parish Councilor; I am often 'approached' in the park by bowlers, allotment folk, dog walkers et al.

By the way, my opinion, the 'reason' given by CEC is a piece of blatent sophistry!
Jonathan Rowley
Tuesday 29th May 2012 at 10:43 pm
Great news.

The less the Parish Council have to do in dealing with village issues the better in my opinion.
Politics with a small p is how I would sum the AEPC up. Out of touch and ineffective.

My exposure with the Parish council is that they want to stand in the way of progress and debate every issue to death with little connection to the bigger picture and progress of local business.

The less power they have the better.
David Carey
Sunday 10th June 2012 at 10:58 am
The problem with Alderley village is that bars are restaurants have been slowly taken over the village at the expense of small shops that local people badly need. The bars and restaurants are constantly pushing their curtilage out onto pavements which are becoming narrower and narrower and can cause problems for people with disabilities or the elderly. You only need to go to Didsbury on a Friday/Saturday night to see what sorts of problems this causes with massive overspill and drinkers crowding onto the pavements with normal residents having to walk in the road to get past, a perfect recipe for endangering life.
Duncan Herald
Monday 11th June 2012 at 12:48 am
David... as I understand the term 'curtilage', as a legal thing, it cannot be pushed out; each property has or has not its own curtilage. I have seen a map showing the curtilage for each property along London Rd. and they vary very greatly. If a property (e.g. bar or restaurant) has a large enough curtilage, then that property can 'use' its curtilage e.g. boarding. We may not like it, but if the law so allows, then it is difficult to stop it. The P.C. have, from time to time, 'had a go' at CEC to prevent the narrowing of pavement space (and the state of the pavements esp. for anyone using a wheelchair etc.).

I agree that bars and restaurants have increased their numbers in the village and that small shops have disappeared; if we want to keep smaller shops, then we have to use them instead of driving out to a large super-market?

Jonathan...the topics above are (1) the provision of 20 minutes, at the start of a Parish Council meeting, for the public to address the P.C. It has been requested and accordingly has been agreed. Is this the P.C. standing in the way of progress? (2) that a Parish Council will no longer have any right to be consulted on licence applications. So you are in favour of that? So will you be turning up at CEC licence application hearings in future? Can you please provide some concrete examples of the P.C. being 'out of touch and ineffective' (and not just examples of where your own opinion is different to that of the P.C.). Further you accuse the P.C. of debating 'every issue to death'... of course, if we didn't debate (in public let us not forget) you might perchance accuse the P.C. of being dictatorial?
Claire MacLeod
Tuesday 12th June 2012 at 8:17 pm
I find it slightly incongruous that the Parish Council is now seeking to be congratulated on 'agreeing' to the 'request' that the public have an opportunity to speak at their meetings. The fact of the matter is that at the recent Parish Annual Meeting, the 'public' had to pretty much lead a coup in order for their voices to be heard and, thanks to reporting of events and coherent and robust proposals being expressed at this meeting, the Parish Council had little defence for continuing to operate in a silent vacuum. They reluctantly agreed to follow the lead of most other Parish Councils in the region who have been 'allowing' the public to speak at meetings for a long time. From my perspective, there was no 'of course' about it.
Duncan Herald
Wednesday 13th June 2012 at 8:17 am
Hi Claire...to be factual; at the Parish Meeting the Parish Council tried to make it clear that the '20 minute slot' had already been accepted, pretty much exactly as the public at the meeting were asking. At this week's monthly P.C. meeting, the 20 minute slot was announced, at the start of the meeting; 3 gentlemen turned up and 1 of them said that he wished to speak, which he did. He did not ask any questions as such and so there was no dialogue. He recommended to us a booklet about what/how Parish Councilors should do their 'job'. That booklet has been obtained by our wonderful Clerk and has already been circulated, by email, to all Councilors.
Let's not argue about whether to use 'agreeing' and 'request'; if you wish, let us say 'demand' and 'obeyed', what is important is that what the public wanted has happened.
The 'Standing Orders' of the Parish Council will be altered to formalise the '20 minute slot'; it takes a little time to do so. I provided a first draft of wording and two of my colleagues have modified that to make it better. Now the whole P.C. will either accept the wording or modify it a little more. As a bonus, we will be slightly up-dating the 'Standing Orders' in a few other places.
Congratulations? No, we've simply done what was asked/demanded of us. Are you satisfied with that?
By the way, we don't 'operate in a silent vacuum'; we discuss most of what we are about during P.C. meetings and I would more than welcome people turning up to listen to us droning on!