Car park switched to permit holders only

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The car park at the Festival Hall has recently been changed from a pay and display to a permit holders only car park.

Cheshire East Council (CEC) had been leasing the car park off Alderley Edge Parish Council but the lease was recently terminated so CEC is no longer operating or controlling the car park.

As a result they removed the ticket machine and signs have recently been erected warning motorists that the car park is private property, for the use of permit holders only and any unauthorised vehicles or vehicles incorrectly parked will be issued with a parking charge notice for £85.

A number of people who work in the village and visitors have contacted us about this change, to complain that it leaves very few options for long term parking in the village.

Kath Alsop, a visitor from Ashbourne, told alderleyedge.com "I visit Alderley Edge on a regular basis to get together with my niece for lunch and some pampering. We have always parked at the Festival Hall but this last week I was told from now on it will be permit holders only.

"In two years of visiting Alderley Edge I have always failed to park at the South Street car park, even at 8.50 am, Waitrose is another option but that is also limited to 2 hours and is full of litter and dog excrement - sometimes contained in bags but not always.

"Most of the street parking is limited to 1 hour or 2 hours which doesn't leave time for a relaxing treatment and lunch."

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Alderley Edge Parish Council, Festival Hall, Parking, Parking
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David Hadfield
Tuesday 1st April 2014 at 7:53 am
Yes, 1st April again .............. Not being caught twice, but thanks, very subtle !
Marc Asquith
Tuesday 1st April 2014 at 8:03 pm
This is funnier than the Tour bus story.

For years it has been said by the Parish Councillors that the Festival Hall car park was the solution for parking if only you could get people to park there - now there is no short term parking there.

I will be interested to see how much the charges raise each year to see whether we are getting a good return on making the short term parkers park on the street. I will also be curious to see how many spaces there are and how many permits are sold.

Why don't the Parish Council just make it free - now that would be a great public service !
Emma Cail
Tuesday 1st April 2014 at 10:06 pm
Really disappointed to see this change has been made. I thought the whole point of the allotment change was due to there being a lack of parking- and now one of the only whole day car parks has been made private? At the rate of most council activities the new car park will not be ready for the next 5 years - in this time there will be 40/ 50 car capacity all day carparks to accommodate all the businesses and customers of Alderley! As a manager of a local business - we haven't even been approached as potential permit holders, even though we would be more than willing to purchase one (despite it being expensive - as least it would allow us to park legally!).
The central (lit and safe) car park is full by 9am, where do the remainder of the village workers park? Obviously they want to make some money - so are not going to park in a 1 hour bay which could result in a daily £30 fine (nearly a days wage for some) or constant disruption of the working day moving the car around the village- so they will now have to park outside residents drives, illegally or obstructively, these will be the only options available to someone who wants to earn a living! A suitable solution needs to be reached soon, otherwise it risks upsetting local residents even more and could even affect local businesses if staff are unable to get to work or no longer find working in the village viable due to parking charges.
Jon Williams
Wednesday 2nd April 2014 at 10:20 am
Not an April fools joke, I have just seen it today !
Ricky Lee
Wednesday 2nd April 2014 at 12:34 pm
Emma,

I am glad that you spoke out for the workers who needs parking to work at this village.
I don't think anyone has actually investigated the real number of parking space needed for people working here at the village.
If you add up all the staff at all the shops, schools, bars, restaurants, offices, etc. I won't be surprised to see the figure to be in the hundreds.

So far we keep seeing the parking issue being pushed from one street to another. The situation is getting to breaking point and now with the parking being so bad around Ryleys Lane and the schools, I won't be surprised to find one of our school children will get seriously hurt.

I think the businesses in the village need to come together and publish the 'actual' number of parking needed for their staff here in the forum. With this information, we can justify to the council why we need 'affordable' long term parking for the workers.
Terry Bowes
Wednesday 2nd April 2014 at 7:00 pm
The festival hall car park was very rarely full,always plenty of spaces.I walk round there nearly every day.
This should be an indication that the people that are parking all over the village (quite legally)and walking fair distances to work do so because they do not want to pay to park all day.Fair comment if you work 8hours a day in Alderley and have to pay 1/1.5 hrs wages to park.
Now to compound the problem AEPC have now let out the car park for private parking.
Question.1. Where do all the people who use the hall park now?
2. Where do all the people who park there everyday go now?
3. Do all AEP Councillors have free parking badges?
4. What happens when building work starts,are H&S going to allow the car park to remain open?
5. ??? I'll think of summat!!
Duncan Herald
Thursday 3rd April 2014 at 12:58 pm
1. As a PC Councillor I do not have any form of free parking at the Festival Hall.
2. Under the old system i.e. when Cheshire East 'owned' the Hall parking area, there was a mix of Permits and 'open' parking for the general public; some of the empty spaces were where Permit holders were not using their permit at a particular time.
3. Now the system has changed i.e. many more permits have been issued, on behalf of the Parish Council; there are 51 spaces and 44 Permits have been issued.
4. The notices put up seem to imply that if you park at the Hall and are not a permit holder, you may be fined £85.00.

So whose idea was all this? Who caused this to happen?

The Chairman (Councillor Lloyd) and Vice-Chairman (that's me) and three other P.C. Councillors (Schofield, Joseph & Connor) have not been involved/consulted/briefed. Councillor Bergin is living (with his family) and working in Africa and so probably isn't involved.

Up to you to ask others (they are your Councillors after all) whether they were or were not involved.

The next P.C. meeting is next Monday; come along and ask as many questions as you wish.
James MacDonald
Thursday 3rd April 2014 at 8:40 pm
Ricky, good idea about local businesses publishing how many spaces they require. The actual number could be a compelling argument for change.
Vince Fogharty
Friday 4th April 2014 at 9:16 am
Duncan, Are we to assume from your comments that both the Chair and Deputy chair as well as what seems like most the council members did not know this was happening? If this is the case then it seems to me we have a much bigger problem than a change in how the car park is used.

If you are seriously advising us that somebody in AEPC was able to make a change on how revenue is generated to a council asset without any consultation then it really is time for us to start asking some serious questions on how this council conducts itself. I assume the company listed on the newly erected notices are the same company who previously enforced on behalf of CEC? If not why was this company chosen and what was the tendering process, or are you going to advise that the majority of the council who are elected by us knew nothing of this either?

Your comment encouraging us to ask questions astounds me, we elect the council to do a number of duties on our behalf, one of which is as custodian of the council assets, and if the Chair and Deputy Chair do not know what’s going on with these assets I expect them to act and ask the questions and not simply encourage the residents to do so.

I for one will certainly be at the meeting on Monday, not to ask why there has been a change in parking use, but to ask who did it and why does this person have the authority to make these decisions without anybody else within AEPC having to be consulted. This really is no way for our elected representatives to conduct themselves, its 2014 and we expect firstly that those senior councillors i.e. the Chair and Deputy know what’s going on and that our councillors live in the area or at the very least in this country!
Martin Dixon
Friday 4th April 2014 at 10:04 am
Duncan
Are you saying that 6 of the 9 councillors have no knowledge of this change? That only leaves Frank, Mary and Mike who might have had something to do with it.
How can that be democratic?
I am assuming this was not done by CEC as their lease has expired.
Terry Bowes
Sunday 6th April 2014 at 12:22 pm
Well answered Duncan,at least we now know there are 6 parking spaces for the Voters of Alderley(laughable really) considering the Hall was bought back for people of the Parish which one would think also included the car park.
Claire MacLeod
Thursday 10th April 2014 at 12:00 pm
I concur with Vince Fogharty. This is a shocking revelation. If the action was taken without the knowledge or full approval of the Parish Council, it should be 'undone' immediately. And those councillors who are responsible for it should be held accountable and explain why they think they are above adhering to the democratic process, established to protect this Parish's residents.
Mike Norbury
Thursday 10th April 2014 at 6:56 pm
now the parish council seems to be the keegan Williamson sideshow anything could happen!! democratic? 3 person dictatorship more like. I do not like their strategy of impacting on village parking to bolster up their ludicrous claims for the need of another car park on the heyes lane allotments. get rid of these ridiculous restrictions and the culprits of this cynical ploy .
Matthew Lloyd
Friday 11th April 2014 at 12:40 pm
The car park at the Festival Hall has been transferred to the control of the Parish Council by Cheshire East Council (CEC) and as part of this transfer the previously CEC controlled pay and display meters have been removed.

To ensure that the car park is not full of people parking for free we, the Parish Council, have introduced, in the short term, a parking regime of 100% permit parking. This allows us control of the hall's car park which is required when events are taking place (for example, it is difficult to hire out the hall for a Friday wedding reception if guests cannot park there because the car park is full of people parking for fee).

In addition, the revenue already generated by the permits has already allowed us to begin maintenance of the car park, e.g. we have begun a programme of filling in a number of the pot holes in the car park.
Frank Keegan
Saturday 12th April 2014 at 2:36 pm
Mike,

The Parish Council took control of the Festival Hall in 2009 and part of that deal allowed Cheshire East the ability to enforce Parking Orders at Festival Hall, but the proviso was that AEPC could give 3 months notice to quit because we envisaged the need to develop the Hall and Medical Centre. Recently Cheshire East had to amend the Parking Orders and took the opportunity to amend the order at FH, knowing that we were near to starting the work on the MEDCEN.

The Chairman of the Council was very much in the loop about the withdrawal of CEC from the car park, and approved the signs which were erected. The Deputy Chairman was advised by the Hall Manager, and the rest of the Parish Council were advised on quite a few occasions that it was happening. Sometimes in public meeting, and sometimes in private briefings.

But I agree with your underlying question: Why would anyone like to portray their ignorance of the basic facts, and why would they pretend not to have been told?
Duncan Herald
Saturday 12th April 2014 at 8:16 pm
1. I repeat that I, as Vice Chairman of the P.C., knew nothing of any decision to go over to an all-permit system and not did I know of any sign going up whereby citizens of Aldeley Edge were threatened with an £85 fine. The Hall Manager only told me that he was replacing the CE permits with PC permits. Since the Hall Manager is an employee of the PC, then who instructed the Hall manager to change the system? Can someone please put up their hand and say I/We changed the system; then the citizens can either say 'well done' or not.
2. The Chairman emailed me at April 2nd to say that he also knew nothing of all this.
3. I repeat that, to the best of my knowledge, the majority of the A/E Parish Councillors were not told of the changes before they occured.

Over to you citizens.
Jon Williams
Sunday 13th April 2014 at 12:00 pm
Time for a NEW parish council I think !!
Alan Brough
Sunday 13th April 2014 at 8:51 pm
It seems clear to me that there are some members of AEPC who are more "motivated" than others.

I am not surprised to learn that other members of the council were not given "the nod."

Frank (it seems to me) is on a magic carpet ride sponsored by Emerson Developments - all in my honest opinion.
Kirsteen Peel
Monday 14th April 2014 at 7:24 am
I could not agree more Alan and I take my hat off to Duncan for being so open about the real situation.
Charles Kirsfelds
Tuesday 15th April 2014 at 3:26 pm
AEPC - When are you going to sort out the parking fiasco at the Festival Hall?

Over the last week alone I have only ever seen the FH car park half full even when the event was on this weekend whilst out in the local streets we have mayhem - with cars trying to park in all available spaces - parking signs that now lead to what is now a private car park!

Being the Easter holiday period what will it be like when everyone goes back to work?

Think also of the effect and impact on local residents, retailers and people who work in Alderley. You must obviously consider out of town visitors who can easily give up looking for a parking space an look to Wilmslow as an easy alternative.

So I suggest that AEPC stops bickering, works together in an open and with constructive dialog to resolve this issue.
Mike Norbury
Wednesday 16th April 2014 at 1:19 pm
Cllr Keegan , no that is not what I meant as you well know.
Claire MacLeod
Monday 28th April 2014 at 2:33 pm
Alan Brough, your final sentence sums the situation in a nutshell. What a tragedy this all is. We lose another, cherished green bit of our village forever for a white elephant ('car park') which we all know will, in reality, be sold to developers for more, nasty expensive houses. And now we learn, regardless of what Keegan claims, that even the majority of the parish council are being duped and rail-roaded. At least our suspicions are now recorded, so when it all transpires this way, we can say 'We told you so'. By which time, it will be too late.
Peter Wright
Monday 28th April 2014 at 6:34 pm
Claire Macleod, I personally think that in any argument, debate or point of view, you would at least have the courtesy to address people in a proper manner and not by just their surname. Just being Frank.....
Frank Keegan
Tuesday 29th April 2014 at 2:09 pm
Claire MacLeod,

If you can substantiate your allegations, inform the Police. If you cannot, and you know you cannot, then withdraw them immediately or face the consequences