Street lights will be switched off or dimmed

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As part of efforts to slash carbon emissions, cut down on light pollution, save money and make Cheshire East a cleaner and greener place to live – the Council is moving forward with changes to street lighting.

A new three-pronged approach is being introduced. All households will find themselves in one of the following categories:

  • Switching off – lights will be permanently switched off, with a view to removal in the future. This will only be implemented on routes between towns with a small number of homes.
  • Dimming – lights will operate at 60 per cent of their normal strength to achieve savings whilst still providing lighting. This will be used where routes pass through local communities or where safety issues mean it isn't suitable to switch lighting off.
  • Part-night lighting – a process where lights automatically turn off at midnight and come back on between 5.30am-6.30am. This will mainly be used in housing estates.

The changes will be introduced over the next few weeks. The lights that will be turned off will mainly be on A or B roads between towns and villages.

Where there are a significant number of homes on a route then lights will remain switched on and may form part of the dimming or part-night exercises.

On stretches of road where the lights will be switched off, there will be clear signs warning people that the lights are not in use.

Councillor Rod Menlove, Cabinet member in charge of environmental services, said: "These changes are just part of our ongoing drive to reduce our energy consumption across the Borough.

"I want to reassure residents that we will choose the most suitable approach for where they live.

"We have successfully trialled changes to street lighting in Wilmslow where 80 per cent of the local community was behind the scheme.

"There is absolutely no evidence that switching off street lights on stretches of roads has a detrimental effect on road safety and, in fact, has improved road safety in many areas. "

Cheshire East Highways has consulted with Cheshire Police and Cheshire Fire and Rescue Service regarding the proposals. Both organisations have made no adverse comments regarding the scheme. The Authority has also written to all town and parish councils to inform them on how the changes could affect their area.

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Ricky Lee
Friday 23rd November 2012 at 4:27 pm
I'm not against it, but it would make sense to implement light dimming at Alderley after the Festive Season.
Mark Adrian
Friday 23rd November 2012 at 5:43 pm
Is there a map available which outlines the roads involved?
Lisa Reeves
Friday 23rd November 2012 at 5:57 pm
If you click on the link in the article, i.e. the last sentence (all links on the site are in blue) this will take you to a page on the Cheshire East Council website.

Click on "Drawing No.33 (PDF, 2,6MB)" and page 5 of the document is a map of Alderley Edge showing the area where the lights will be dimmed = along Alderley Road, London Road.

The lights will be switched off on a section of the A34 Wilmslow Bypass approaching Harden Park Roundabout.

There are also maps for the surrounding areas.
Chris Jones
Friday 23rd November 2012 at 10:10 pm
Lights are there for safety reasons so cost cutting is now taking preference.
Light pollution I've never heard so much rubbish in all my life.Cheshire east should start sorting real problems
David Hadfield
Saturday 24th November 2012 at 12:03 pm
I agree with Chris Jones as above.
Total nonsense. The Council are jumping on the "Light Pollution" problem to save money.

What about road safety ?
It will take only one serious accident for all the cost-savings to be lost, once the Ambulance, Fire Service, Police, Council Authorities, etc, become involved and are called out to attend any serious accident !

What about homes being more easily targetted for burglaries when the lights are dimmed ?
It will need only one extra villian to carry out a burglary due to our darkened streets where they see an opportunity and all the cost-savings will be lost by extra Police investigations, etc.

Do these Councillors really live in our community ?
Chris Stock
Saturday 24th November 2012 at 12:13 pm
I'm a little concerned by the statement; "There is absolutely no evidence that switching off street lights on stretches of roads has a detrimental effect on road safety and, in fact, has improved road safety in many areas. "
The ratio of accidents to reduced street lighting can be made to look low by trialling the scheme in relatively small/low traffic areas. Extending the scheme also extends the risks.
Would the council take FULL responsibility if it can be proven that reduced or nil street lighting was a factor or main cause of a road traffic accident? I fail to see how reduced lighting can IMPROVE road safety.
Further, switching street lighting off on housing estates is quite ridiculous IMHO - it increases the risk of burglary/mugging and reduces efficacy of home CCTV etc. I certainly wouldn't feel particularly comfortable walking home through the blackout zone.
Perhaps someone will enlighten me otherwise.
Marc Asquith
Saturday 24th November 2012 at 7:54 pm
I have to say that I think its a brilliant idea. It's clear that most of you have no idea what you're missing. In areas where there is no light pollution the milky way is a bright feature in the sky, shooting stars are frequent and exciting to see. The sky is filled with a myriad of stars that simply cannot be seen around Alderley. The whole wonder of the universe is there to behold.

Trying to keep the place light up like daylight 24 is wholly pointless activity - particularly in the wee small hours when the lights are provided for 2 men and a dog.

And all this rubbish about road safety - it does not seem to have occurred to anyone here that there are thousands and thousands of miles of unlit roads in the UK already with no great safety problems.

So let's save some money and see more of our night sky, keep turning them off Rod.
David Hadfield
Saturday 24th November 2012 at 10:10 pm
If you want to see our "Night Sky" all you have to do is find a local place outside the built-up areas that have lights and you will find it !
There may be thousands and thousands of miles of unlit roads in the country, as the above commentator said, BUT in the built-up areas, we need lights at night for safety and security !
Vince Chadwick
Saturday 24th November 2012 at 10:27 pm
Marc is spot on. Many folk today have never seen a real night sky.... It's magical! A constant reminder of the massive infinity of the heavens. And in our area you won't see it; unless we drastically reduce light pollution.

The stats show there is no reduction in road safety, perhaps because the lights of oncomimg cars even when still 'round the corner' can be seen in the dark, so lots of prior warning of oncoming traffic. With bright street lights, many don't even turn on headlights!
David Hadfield
Sunday 25th November 2012 at 8:22 am
You're talking total nonsense about this light-polution situation !

There is an easy answer here ;
If you want to see the "real" sky at night, go outside the urban areas without street lights ?
Otherwise, accept you live in a modern world where certain things have to be compromised and adjusted to accommodate a modern society , with such amenities as street lights, etc.
If you want to see the "real" sky, go and live in Australia or Africa where there is no modern-world polution.

In answer to other comments;
How many cars do you see, once dark, without headlights on ?
Maybe one or two per hundred, and that's probably because they've forgotten to turn them on.

Finally, how can turning street lights OFF increase road safety ?
Chris Stock
Sunday 25th November 2012 at 10:26 am
Where was the council's stand on light pollution and carbon emissions when I complained about the over-the-top floodlighting at Wood Gardens flats? The didn't exactly kick off about that to the landlords. Obviously not enough pro PR in it for them.
Vince Chadwick
Sunday 25th November 2012 at 2:54 pm
David - thank you for your response. However, you do not advance your argument, or your personal stature, one jot by stating "you're talking total nonesense" along with suggestions of moving to Africa. Quite the reverse, I think
David Hadfield
Monday 26th November 2012 at 5:08 pm
Vince Chadwick - I have made my comments - no further comment required, thank you !
Vin Sumner
Monday 26th November 2012 at 9:41 pm
We should take a look at cities like Freiburg in Germany, who keep the lights on, reduce cost and reduce emissions, what happened to UK innovation ...?
Kriss Coombes
Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 5:07 pm
Great idea Rod Menlove. I fully support this responsible and environmently friendly approach to reducing light pollution and saving money at the same time. Also, to see the milky way from my garden would an added bonus.
Steve Scott
Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 10:35 pm
I think this is a terrible idea, plunging our roads and streets into darkness and passing it off as an environmental initiative when it's really about saving money. This will make even more areas inaccessible for people who are visially impaired or have poor night vision. The argument for less light pollution is hugely disproportionate, how many people constantly stare up at the night sky? There's a lot more people who need street lighting just walk to and from their homes. Finally what effect will this have on crime?
Neil Lloyd-Pennington
Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 11:28 pm
Thank you. I now understand the reasons behind compromising safety and security in the name of ecology. The next time someone smashes into my car or burgles my house, I will look up into the clear, unpolluted night sky and think how beautiful the Milky Way looks tonight.
Claire MacLeod
Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 11:51 pm
I like the environmental take but know that it's really about saving money. I also love the idea of being able to see the night sky more clearly (thanks to Professor Brian Cox). But I am concerned at the risk of increased incidents - accidents or deliberate crime, as a result of reduced lighting. So, to be honest, I'm in two minds. What about taking a practical approach? What about the Council taking a pro-active approach to monitor any change in statistics, relating to both accidents and crime. If it is notable, then maybe the new strategy will need to be reviewed and revised?
Neil Lloyd-Pennington
Wednesday 28th November 2012 at 1:51 pm
Or, you could leave the lights on.
Steve Savage
Wednesday 28th November 2012 at 2:12 pm
Or, you could go and buy a torch.
Steph Walsh
Wednesday 28th November 2012 at 3:21 pm
Or, you could get the police to come to your home and give you a set of scented candles.
Vince Chadwick
Wednesday 28th November 2012 at 4:29 pm
The monitoring of stats has been done already on other such schemes. There is actually a drop in the number of accidents when these schemes are introduced, as stated in the original text.

A real night sky? Many in UK have never seen one as they live in light polluted areas. Google 'light pollution' and see just how bad it's got!

So it's win / win. We save money, it's ecologically sensible, and there's no impact on safety (maybe even the opposite).
Chris Jones
Sunday 2nd December 2012 at 2:58 pm
That's great Vince, a drop in accidents.What about burglaries and muggings is there also a drop?

On the subject of accidents I don't suppose you include the slip trip and fall,the increasingly uneven pavements around alderley will provide lots of this type of claim.As for road traffic accidents I am increasingly having to walk out into the road when passing Konak and Yara restaurants due to monstrosities outside them that shouldn't be there.

However due to cost cuts made by the council,being told how much has been saved by recycling and jobs not being done that should be.I will be looking forward to a significant reduction in council tax this year. Or has it already been wasted.
Alan Brough
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 9:12 am
I have noticed that there is a significant reduction in street lighting in Alderley Edge and Wilmslow and actually find it quite dangerous whilst out jogging - particularly in the many areas where the pavements are badly maintained or where leaves have accumulated.

I am all for saving money and very much in favour of anything that will improve enjoyment of the night sky, but I do feel that there are real safety issues here.
Steve Savage
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 9:24 am
I managed to pass Yara quite safely on Saturday afternoon... without having to step into the road. As for jogging in the dark... that just isn't very clever at all.
Steve Scott
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 10:01 am
Jogging in the dark may not be 'clever' but it is often the only time that people have to exercise. The fact is we don't get much daylight in winter, there's a reason why street lights were invented so can we stop pretending they are a bad idea.
Steve Savage
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 10:23 am
I agree Steve... however running in the dark isn't the only form or exercise available to us it it?
David Hadfield
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 12:31 pm
What a great statement ............ "There's a reason why street lights were invented" !
That sums up the argument in my opinion .........
so why do people still insist on suggesting turning OFF street lights is a good idea ?
Steve Savage
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 2:01 pm
There are no street lights in Prestbury apart from a small number on the main road in the village centre. There has been no upsurge in violent crime, car accidents etc.... I think you'll find the general concenus there is that the majority prefer it this way.
Alan Brough
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 4:03 pm
Steve,
I, and others have only taken up the "extreme sport" of jogging in the dark since CE began the practice of turning the lights out / dimming them down.

I dont profess to be clever - so probably couldn't manage any other form of excercise that involved more than placing one foot in front of another at regular intervals!
Steve Scott
Monday 3rd December 2012 at 4:38 pm
Alan, I'm a stupid after dark runner too, I also venture out of my house on foot most evenings to go to the shops, pub, restaurant or just travelling back from work. Once all the lights are switched off the only safe way to get about at night will be by car (not very green) or with a massive torch (not very convenient), but we can all enjoy the wonderful night sky, as we trip, stumble, fall and feel our way around the gloomy streets of Cheshire East.

Prestbury probably has enough private security firms employed in the area to see off the burglars.
Steve Savage
Tuesday 4th December 2012 at 9:33 am
If you are that challenged you might find it helpfull to read again then.....

"A new three-pronged approach is being introduced. All households will find themselves in one of the following categories:
■Switching off – lights will be permanently switched off, with a view to removal in the future. This will only be implemented on routes between towns with a small number of homes.
■Dimming – lights will operate at 60 per cent of their normal strength to achieve savings whilst still providing lighting. This will be used where routes pass through local communities or where safety issues mean it isn't suitable to switch lighting off.
■Part-night lighting – a process where lights automatically turn off at midnight and come back on between 5.30am-6.30am. This will mainly be used in housing estates."
Vin Sumner
Tuesday 4th December 2012 at 11:03 am
There is no reason to switch the lights off to save energy and cost , have a look at what is happening around Europe where towns and cities are replacing the lights with led systems and other new technologies that cost far less to run and the capital spend is recovered very quickly, and of course they use less energy and reduce the carbon footprint. If the place can't afford the spend then companies will finance in a similar way to the green deal ... so no need for joggers to trip up , or residents to be nervous , if a bit of imagination is used.
Steve Scott
Tuesday 4th December 2012 at 6:01 pm
@Steve Savage
I'm not sure what you are implying with the word 'challenged' although it's use does sound vaguely condescending.
I have read the article again, I'm not sure what aspect of it you believe to have been overlooked, or what point you are trying to make by cutting and pasting it in the first place.
Richard Bullock
Tuesday 4th December 2012 at 11:00 pm
There have been studies done on areas which have had light switch offs, and most suggest that increased lighting does not reduce crime levels
http://www.britastro.org/dark-skies/crime.html?7O#noreduction

In terms of the impact on the night sky - properly dark skies virtually do not exist in the vast majority of England now due to light pollution. Even in the Peak District, the sky glow from Manchester and Sheffield and the various towns surrounding the park prevent truly dark skies most of the time. Most of Cheshire is much brighter. After the switch off at midnight, it should be noticably improved. The Milky Way is a sight to behold if you can see it properly, which you can't currently from here.

In terms of cost, Cheshire East spends about £1.6 million per year lighting roads throughout the night, much of the time when no-one is using them in the small hours. I'm sure there are better things the council could be spending £1m on.
Vin Sumner
Tuesday 4th December 2012 at 11:54 pm
why do people and councils take no notice of good ideas
Chris Jones
Wednesday 5th December 2012 at 1:03 am
Richard,yes in the small hours ALMOST no one is using the roads.However some people do,and some of these people are cyclists(shift workers)who like me will pay there taxes and expect the roads lit.
Heaven forbid anybody has a serious accident,how do you price life.
Vince Chadwick
Wednesday 5th December 2012 at 10:26 am
Well said Richard! Something else to consider is that our night sight improves considerably in very low light levels. Go for a night walk in the country and as long as there is some light (even just starlight) your eyes adjust and you can see remarkably well. But if there's a light-addicted townie in the party who insists on using a torch, bang goes your night sight and you'll be tripping over the tree roots!

Street lighting provides 'pools' of light. The relatively dark bits in between are where accidents might happen or muggings or bugrlaries, as anyone there is pretty much invisible.
Steve Scott
Wednesday 5th December 2012 at 11:05 am
I think we are straying away from the point here with faux scientific evidence. Some people with visual impairments need street lighting to live and get about during the night, that's a fact. All this blathering on about the beauty of the milkyway and green environmental issues is just garnish to hide an ill considered cost cutting exercise.
Alan Brough
Wednesday 5th December 2012 at 9:10 pm
...and of course, in order for star-gazers to benefit from the reduced street lighting, you would have to persuade Manchester Airport, Handforth Dean and a host of other local luminaires to dim down
David Hadfield
Wednesday 5th December 2012 at 10:00 pm
There is only one reason why Cheshire East Council are dimming street lights and that's to save money !........... All this nonsense about being able to see the Milky Way, getting back to the old ways, etc, is all just rubbish !
As someone said earlier, if you want to see the street lighting reduced, start with Manchester Airport or Handforth Dean, because they all have very good lighting facilities for car parks, walkways, etc, and why not ?
Cheshire East Council may be creating extra accidents, burglaries, etc, (allegedly) and are hanging onto their hair-brained schemes and theories to reduce street lighting, whilst other businesses and Councils involved with the public have the sense to know that good street / car park lighting is essential for public safety and security........... we wait and see !
Deleted Account False Name
Tuesday 11th December 2012 at 1:03 pm
I have thoroughly enjoyed these comments! I'm on the fence about it really - I can see pros and cons. Yes the stars are great, but lighting streets is also important to a lot of people and you can't just shoo that opinion under the rug because you have different ideas. Each to their own, the council will do what they want despite anyones arguments, so I suggest, like most people say - invest in a torch if you need to, the 7million candle powered ones are brighter than street lights anyway, so lets all buy them and shine them at the stars, I don't know about you, but I'd love to see the big dipper, hopefully the torch will help me locate it?