Council to crack down on outdoor seating areas

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Cheshire East Council (CEC) has vowed to get tough on restaurants that have built outdoor seating areas on land that belongs to the Council, without their permission.

Last year Yara built an outdoor seating area on the public highway without obtaining permission and Konak have recently done the same next door.

Neither restaurants own the area outside their premises, unlike some other restaurants in the village who are entitled to put tables and chairs outside because the pavement belongs to them.

Speaking about the new seating area outside Konak at last week's Alderley Edge Parish Council meeting, Cllr Mike Williamson said "They have been issued with 30 days notice to remove it and the 30 days is coming up quite quickly.

"They (CEC) are adamant they are going to take action which will be very pleasing if they do."

Cllr Frank Keegan commented "It is totally non-compliant with DDA".

Cllr Mike Williamson added "Hopefully it will be the first time they (CEC) do something and hopefully it will send a message."

Councillor Rod Menlove, Cabinet member in charge of the environment, said: "The owners of Konak were given 30 days notice to remove the seating area as it is considered to be an obstruction of the highway, contrary to the Highways Act 1980.

"Furthermore, they do not have planning permission and they have not applied for a licence in accordance with the Council's alfresco policy. The paved area outside these premises is public highway.

"If the seating area is not removed, the Council will arrange to remove it and recharge the cost. We have also written to Yara for the same reasons."

What do you think of the seating areas outside Konak and Yara? Should they be removed?

Share your views via the comment box below.

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Comments

Here's what readers have had to say so far. Why not add your thoughts below.

Jon Williams
Tuesday 19th June 2012 at 2:04 pm
About time too, remove it !
Graham Nicholson
Tuesday 19th June 2012 at 3:25 pm
Outdoor seating areas add to the colour of the village, the pleasure of diners and no doubt to the local economy. It's hard to object to to the concept of alfresco dining when only a couple of weeks ago the whole street was closed and taken over by tables and diners - which everyone then seemed to think a jolly and community-enriching idea. Rather than ban outdoor seating areas the Council should licence and regulate their design to ensure they present no obstruction and enable disabled access. Then the Council should take a handy rental payment from them to help the public coffers. Surely that would be a win-win solution?
Donald Henderson
Tuesday 19th June 2012 at 4:32 pm
Sledge hammer/nut comes to mind! They cause very little obstruction and, as Graham says, charge them rent to see how much it is worth to the business.
Clive Elliott
Tuesday 19th June 2012 at 5:02 pm
Fully agree with Donald and Graham. More important fish to fry!
Brian Etchells
Tuesday 19th June 2012 at 6:54 pm
Try doing a blindfold walk down London Road
DDA exists for blind and disabled people
I recently conducted a survey for Guide Dogs for the Blind
Alfresco dining and A boards are fine for sighted people
London road is like a slalom course for a blind person with a Guide Dog
In the area around The Potting shed, Konak and Yara, a blind person would have no option but to walk into the road.
Dominic Brown
Wednesday 20th June 2012 at 12:40 am
I think its a huge mistake by the businesses to put these area's up without planning permission. Everybody knows in the age we live in you need permission for virtually every type of construction work. To be honest though I think the Parish council need to be careful as it could cost the businesses time and money to remove them and the last thing we need now is to be taking a hard line against local businesses.
Craig Wilson
Wednesday 20th June 2012 at 7:00 am
Putting the fact the Konak structure looks terrible (IMO), I just don't get how these places could ever think it was fine just to build a structure in a public pavement and think it will be ok.
Bradley Russell
Wednesday 20th June 2012 at 9:02 am
In all honesty, as soon as I saw the monstrosity that Konak had constructed, it was clear that the Parish Council would need to step in. I think Yara's looks fine and I'm sure that others agree, but it wouldn't be fair to ask Konak to remove theirs and not Yara, so it seems they have ruined it for everyone.
Neil Carr
Wednesday 20th June 2012 at 11:09 am
I think it is nice to see people outside enjoying what little sunshine we get and it improves the general appearance and ambiance of the village.
However I agree that restaurants cannot and should not erect their own outdoor areas without regulation and they should have to submit plans for approval before they go ahead and build. Sadly the Konak outdoor area is somewhat ugly.
Why not get them to submit plans; approve them if attractive; and charge an additional rate for the outside area? Everyone a winner!
Steve Savage
Wednesday 20th June 2012 at 11:10 am
I just can't get my head around the fact that people want to sit outside on this busy stretch of road and inhale car fumes...... I'm assuming it's more to do with the see and be seen mentality of some people. As for decking..... it's a crime against good taste..... early 90's Gardenforce has a lot to answer for!
Clare Booth
Wednesday 20th June 2012 at 3:25 pm
I think its great to have outdoor eating areas. However I do agree that Konak's area is a monstrosity that I think is a definate obstruction because of the way its built, its height and the sticking out bits. I think it should be re done. However I think, in my opinion that it seems a shame that Yara who have built a very tasteful and non obstructive seating area that is visually in keeping with the restaurant should have to remove theirs because theirs has only come to everyones attention because of Konaks innapropriate area but I guess rules are rules. I personally hope Konak dont get permission unless they do it better and Yara can keep theirs as it is.
Frank Keegan
Wednesday 20th June 2012 at 11:03 pm
I think the alfresco areas in the village have added a bit, with just a few caveats:

o decking is about customers smoking, so they have a fag and spend their money
o A3 units, including Costa, should keep their area free of fag ends
o A3 units with decking on land belonging to the Council are increasing their turnover on land owned by the Council and should pay for the privilege.
o decking should always keep a realistic part of the pavements free for pedestrians
o where decking is on land owned by the A3 operators, their customers should not also spill over on to the public footpath
Mark Russell
Thursday 21st June 2012 at 12:23 pm
Brian, I can see clear pavement in which to walk on in the above photo, so your arguement is floored.

The rules are there to be followed and so they should be, but lets get serious here. The alfresco areas are there to help our local businesses make money and as a by product employ local people, they pay taxes etc etc and most of us enjoy eating/drinking outside (on the rare occasions the sun shows itself). So lets see how we can encourage and help them out. And as people have mentioned, im sure our council have got much bigger things to worry about, but as normal they seem to pick on the easy wins and leave the more important issues to the side. By the way, hows the traffic looking outside konak at the moment due to the brand new bypass being shut? I dont remeber the council dealing with the electric company with so much gusto??? The trains are running to their schdule okay, but the residents of AE can not. The town is going to be an empty shell soon, with just the likes of costa coffe, charity shops and tesco despersed in between if the council dont get smart and work with local businesses instead of working against them. How much money is going to be lost this 2-3 weeks by people not going into AE because of all the extra traffic going down London Road that should be travelling down the bypass?

I agree, Konak and the like should have planning permission and something should be done. But instead of making them rip it down, can they not apply for retrospective planning permission, it seems to work for our local premirship footballers!! Or maybe alter it to suit the needs of the village. Im no planning expert, but do we really need to be tieing one hand behind the backs of our local businesses? Its hard enough for these guys already, lets see what we can do as a community to help them out. Lets not forgot the council is there to serve us, not the other way around.
Frank Keegan
Thursday 21st June 2012 at 12:49 pm
Mark,

Myself and Cllr Nigel Schofield met National Grid and Cheshire East to attempt to have cradles put across the by-pass.

The problem with cradles is this: when the by-pass was being planned, there was an objection from Pearson Tomato farm, and Cheshire Highways knocked the by-pass out in a kink, to give a wide berth to Pearson. The line of Pylons is fixed, and so, down the by-pass, the road kinks, the pylons are straight and at that point cradles cannot be put up - because they would be 1.3mtres from the live line and they need 6 metres.

We did give them a hard time, and we got lots of mitigation, including all the SIDS around. Speed Indicator Devices! The road planners should have taken the pylons into account at the time.
Jane Mulligan
Thursday 21st June 2012 at 7:47 pm
re Clare Booth ...i can not agree more twice now whilst walking past Konks monstroisty i have been knocked into the thing becouse it constricts the pavement and is difficult to pass when more than one person is trying to use the pavement . becouse of its hight and sticky out bits i have 2 lovley bruses on my sholder . I am not against outdoor areas but they should not be and obstruction or a hazzard to the public not to metion unplesent to look at ..
Brian Etchells
Thursday 21st June 2012 at 8:20 pm
re Mark Russell

My argument is not floored at all. Check with Guide Dogs for the Blind Association. There should be a gap of a metre and a half (appproximately 5ft.) between any obstruction and the curb. This is so that a blind person with a Guide Dog can pass safely. It is not about "clear pavement". It is about safety! All the "A" boards and alfresco dining areas make Alderley Edge into a slalom course for a blind person. Never mind all the fag ends and litter/food on the floor which are a huge distraction to any dogs.
Elaine Napier
Sunday 24th June 2012 at 12:48 pm
I was surprised that there were only two comments about Lisa Reeve's last post on the subject of the waste transfer fiasco and the associated massive piece of illegality by some officers of the council, while there are 16 about the seating areas in Alderley Edge.

One assumes that the people putting out tables and chairs without planning permission are just following the Council's example with the Lyme Green waste transfer scheme. If you want to do it and you think you can get away with it, just do it. At least these coffee shops and restaurants are not costing council taxpayers £810,000 in an arrogant, aborted, illegal act, nor are they paid vast amounts of money to serve and protect the residents of Cheshire East.

Clearly, obstructing some pavement areas may be dangerous and improper and should be stopped. But let's not lose sight of the bigger picture in Cheshire East please. Check out Stuart Redgard's post (on one of Lisa Reeve's other excellent sites) about how you can complain to the Audit Commissioner for Cheshire East about the waste transfer matter which, it seems may cost much, much more than the current £810,000 of YOUR money!. http://www.wilmslow.co.uk/news/article/6480/aborted-recycling-centre-costs-taxpayers-800000
Fiona Braybrooke
Monday 25th June 2012 at 8:31 pm
I totally agree Elaine.This is an easy target for AEPC. Let's show AE residents that we care about the village when in actual fact when you read other excellent reports on this website they are quite intent on plans that are not supported by AE residents and are extremely detrimental to the village.
Tom Mather
Wednesday 11th July 2012 at 10:58 pm
Many pavements are only a few feet wide anyway... its total rubbish that a blind person needs 5 feet width, if they have a guide dog i think the dog would be capable of navagating round Konak's outdoor space. But agreed its not in keeping with the area, get them to make it more appealing and uniform!
Brian Etchells
Thursday 12th July 2012 at 7:19 am
So, in that case, the law is total rubbish. The rule is there so that a Guide Dog and it's blind owner can pass unhindered. In Alderley Edge, Konak is one of 3 places where a blind person would be unable to pass using the pavement. The Guide Dog is trained to either go Into the road or refuse. The dog will not take the blind person into danger or squeeze through a gap

I have not made this up, it is the law for a good reason. Try doing a blindfold walk yourself and maybe you would appreciate why this law is upheld.