Lord of Alderley disputes market rights

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The Lord of Alderley is taking legal advice having discovered that a market has been taking place in the village without his permission.

James Hadfield-Hyde owns a Royal Charter, which was granted to his predecessor the de Ardennes in 1254. This means that any market held within 6.5 miles of the Manor of Alderley (which was created by joining the manors of Nether Alderley and Over Alderley at some time in the 13th century) requires his permission.

Therefore by granting consent 13 years ago for the Alderley Edge Farmers' Market, he says the Council have disregarded his right, which "overrides council decisions and nobody can get rid off except the Sovereign."

The lord was furious when he recently read about the farmers' market, which is organised by Alderley Edge resident Christine Munro and held at the Festival Hall on the second Sunday of every month.

He said "I called Christine Munro and she told me she had opened the market 13 years ago and that Macclesfield Borough Council said it was perfectly OK because it is 6.23 miles from Macclesfield Royal Charter Market.

"They knew very well about my Royal Charter, their records must have shown that they had had a fight with me 30 years ago. I know the people working at the Council change but the records don't.

"I'm consulting a barrister in London who is an expert on this and has been a friend for over 40 years. I am seeking advice on what appropriate action should be taken.

"I don't have a problem with Mrs Munro at all, she didn't know anything about the charter and she is doing her thing for The Christie. In the meantime we will come to a precunary arrangement where we can both give some money to our respective charities.

"I was a patron of Manchester Children's Hospital Research Equipment Fund for 26 years, President of the Northern Childcare Trust for over 30 years and assisted in founding a children's charity called Happy Days in Luton which is still going now.

"Mrs Munro raises money for Christies and I always raise money for children. She and I will get together and come to some sort of arrangement where we'll both benefit.

"Regarding the Council though, they are not going to ride roughshod over me, if you tried to open a market in the Macclesfield area they would hit you with a tonne of bricks."

Christine Munro told me "I was given permission by Macclesfield Borough Council. I was told the only restriction on setting up a market was that it needs to be at least 6.23 miles away from any existing markets. The ruling was brought out because at that time it took a farmer a day to travel 6.23 miles with a laden horse drawn carriage and the rule still applies today.

"This was the only stipulation they gave me and I was told I could have a market."

Speaking with Christine, who organised the recent Alderley Edge May Fair, it was clear that she is very concerned about the future of the farmers' market.

Christine said "The Alderley Edge Farmers' Market is like my baby. I started it so long ago and I feel very strongly about it - I don't want it to go.

"It means an awful lot to me and it's a lovely opportunity for the people of Alderley to come together and for people to sell their homemade products."

A Spokesperson for Cheshire East Council, said: "Consent was given 13 years ago for the principle of the Farmers' market. The rights contained in the Council-owned charters for Macclesfield and Wilmslow were examined. Cheshire East Council and its predecessor Macclesfield Borough Council had no power to object on the basis of any privately-held market rights.

"The Farmers' market is conducted by its holder through an independent booking with the Festival Hall, which is owned by the Parish Council. This means that any challenge to the right to hold it is a private matter between those who run the Farmers' market and Mr Hadfield-Hyde.

"Cheshire East Council will always look to support local businesses who wish to trade in their local area and as such, supports the continuation of this market."

Mr Hadfield-Hyde learnt about his right to open markets in 1981 when he met Michael Farrow, an expert in Royal Charter Markets.

He told me "So I went round to every single shop and business in the village with a petition to ask whether they were in favour or not of having a market. The overwhelming majority said they thought it was a good idea because at the time, 30 years ago, they were paying the same rates and rents as those shops in Wilmslow highstreet yet the Wilmslow shops were getting all the business.

"They were all for it so the problem was finding a location. At the time I thought the car park at the back of Royles garage (on South Street) was ideal because it was the right size and had toilets. The Council had just started charging for parking so my argument was that the money they would get from the market would far outweigh the money from parking.

"However, the local councillors said it was going to bring all sorts of dreadful people and the last thing they wanted was a market in Alderley. They were dead against it so in 1987 we opened a market in the car park at the Queens Gate Hotel (now Panacea). We opened with great fanfare, we had Tom Clarkson the Town Crier from Nantwich, jugglers and fire eaters but the problem was that there is no footpath that side of the road and a blind bend. We had queues of old ladies trying to get to the market.

"We only ran the market for a month or so because I thought someone is going to get killed here and it's going to be my fault. They also wanted to renovate the Queens Gate Hotel so we stopped running the market."

"My passing words to the Council were 'I'll be back' and here I am 30 years later.

"If they had given us the car park we would have had a thriving market which brought people to the village and everyone would have benefited."

Mr Hadfield-Hyde sold his family home Willaston Hall in Nantwich about 10 years ago and now lives between his homes in Spain, California and Manchester.

In May 1989 the validity of his title, which he inherited from the Richards family of Gawsworth, was in question because it was believed the title had returned to the crown via the law of escheat.

He took legal proceedings and the solicitor representing the Crown, Malcolm Davis, concluded that the dispute had arisen as a result of the mix up of records.

Mr Hadfield-Hyde explained "The Crown then granted me the feudal lordship which then of course made it absolutely water tight.

"I am probably the only feudal lord to have been granted feudal lordship from the Crown in hundreds of years which makes it the most prestigious lordship in the country."

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Alderley Edge Farmers Market, Christine Munro, Lord of Alderley
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Here's what readers have had to say so far. Why not add your thoughts below.

Fenton Simpson
Thursday 16th June 2011 at 9:33 pm
For gods sake how much money is being wasted here? If you were such a good Lord you would give up any claim to Market rites and perhaps move back to Alderley to keep an eye on your peasants !
Dominic Brown
Thursday 16th June 2011 at 10:04 pm
I can't believe what I'm reading to be honest, I know this gentleman has his rights but surely he must know by challenging like this he puts the Farmer's market in real danger. This needs to be sorted amicably and the most important thing is that the market be allowed to continue.
Dawn Kelly
Thursday 16th June 2011 at 11:54 pm
I had to check my calendar to ensure that it wasn't April 1st!!!
Jon Williams
Friday 17th June 2011 at 6:50 am
Yet another council cock up !
Kirsteen Peel
Friday 17th June 2011 at 9:01 am
Totally unbelievable...
Couldn't agree more with Fenton...
Ricky Lee
Friday 17th June 2011 at 9:27 am
I bet many residents here in Alderley would feel that he is such a XXX XXXX! To use outdated rights against a village where he no longer lives! Is he after publicity. If he insist then we commoners need to flight back. I don't think the Crown would like to see a war between the lords and the people especially the fate of the Monarchy has been challenged for the last 100 years!
Mike Norbury
Friday 17th June 2011 at 9:29 am
6.5 miles from his AstraZeneca site former stately home? Well in that case why no mention of Chelford cattle market and the Sunday car boot /market rogues paradise which are both on his door step?

Ho hum welcome to 21 century Britain the dark ages 2
I'm off before they dust down the stocks!
Darren Parkinson
Friday 17th June 2011 at 10:31 am
Boooooo Hiiiiissss! The evil lord of Alderley comes to put an end to the much loved village market! What a XXX XXXX!
Kirsteen Peel
Friday 17th June 2011 at 10:46 am
Darren at least it has taken him 13 years to work out where we are and how to cause us grief! For that I suppose we should be grateful :)
James Hadfield-Hyde
Friday 17th June 2011 at 12:09 pm
The simple fact is... Macclesfield Borough Council had no right to unlawfully grant permission for a market which encroached upon an existing Royal Charter, any more than I would have the right to grant permission for one which violates theirs.
What some of your readers fail to understand is that I was the Standard Bearer for the introduction of a market for Alderley thirty years ago, and still am. I now find it laughable that, at that time, Alderley Parish Council were against it so vehemently, because it would encourage " the wrong sort of people into the village." The last word came from Clr. David Brickhill in August 1984, when he said, "The last thing I want to see in Alderley Edge is a market !"
In this case, Mrs. Munro and I will come to an amicable pecuniary agreement, which will assist our respective favourite charities.
Lord of Alderley
Malcolm McClean
Friday 17th June 2011 at 12:51 pm
Isn't there anything in Spain or California that could occupy your mind more fruitfully?
Dominic Brown
Friday 17th June 2011 at 12:54 pm
I would really love to know a bit more about the powers and rights that the Lord of Alderley actually has, as the Lord can probably see not many people realise that we had a Lord presiding over us and we villagers may be breaking ancient by-laws every day so are there any documents we can see to explain your role more clearly?
Kirsteen Peel
Friday 17th June 2011 at 1:45 pm
Can I suggest that if you are holding a grudge about something that happened in 1984 and didn't go your way that you get some suitably-qualified counsellor to discuss the issue with M'Lud?
Malcolm McClean
Friday 17th June 2011 at 1:52 pm
If you look in Debretts this joker is not even recognised. This is a Mickey Mouse title - if indeed it actually exists. Christine, I would just carry on regardless and lets not give this attention seeker any more of what he obviously craves - attention.
Steve Carlson
Friday 17th June 2011 at 3:20 pm
First of all, it should be mentioned that the Alderley Edge Farmers' market is not a farmers' market. There are no farmers at the market. It is a food court. As such, it may not even fall under this rights of ownership or whatever silliness his lordship claims.

Second. Send this guy packing. What a joker. To think that the rights he claims can be used to stifle commerce and the free market is crazy, but it would be like a lord to lay claim to something he didn't work for, huh?

Tried to find a contact number for the lord, but can't. Anyone have it?

James - If you were so interested in this issue, why did it take you so long to wise up? Was it a lack of engagement with the community with which you now would like to engage? Also, please give up the Lord of Alderley stuff. That's just bizarre. If you would like, use it in a letter to yourself.

@Malcolm - only title associated on Debrett's with Alderley is held by The Rt Hon the Lord Stanley of Alderley, DL, not by a James Hadfield-Hyde as JH-H would have you believe.
Ricky Lee
Friday 17th June 2011 at 5:06 pm
Does his lordship know about the supermarkets we have and the extra one coming this year!! Where was he when we wanna stop Tesco coming to the village!!!!
Beverley Chapman
Saturday 18th June 2011 at 6:26 pm
Beyond belief - where has his "lordship" been for 13 years !!!!
Heather Wienholt
Sunday 19th June 2011 at 11:58 am
We should invite his lordship to a meeting at the festival hall with his subjects to discuss the issue, I'd love to meet him!
James Hadfield-Hyde
Sunday 19th June 2011 at 12:00 pm
To Ms. Beverley Chapman.
To answer your question. Twelve years ago I retired and sold Willaston Hall, our family home. It was my intention to reduce some of my responsibilities and spend a little more of the Autumn of my life in sunnier climes. Not unreasonable, don't you think?
Lord of Alderley
Malcolm McClean
Sunday 19th June 2011 at 12:35 pm
Very reasonable. Would you ask sunnier climes to take you back as soon as possible. You are bullying a septuagenarian who has done more for this community than you can ever do. Thats not big and its not clever.
Kikoula MacRae
Sunday 19th June 2011 at 5:20 pm
Just want to add my voice to this whole ridiculous fiasco!! The market is very popular not only with the traders but also with the people of Alderley and surrounding areas, who attend loyally every month - primarily due to Christine's tireless efforts.

Feudalism - welcome to the 21st century!
Malcolm McClean
Sunday 19th June 2011 at 5:57 pm
Sunnier Climes

There's vacancies now at Sunnier Climes
That well known home for the unusual
They can look after lunatic Lords stuck in bygone times
The attention seeking; the grandiose; the delusional
The fantasist; the bullying bore
No time-warped egotist could ask for more
There's vacancies now at Sunnier Climes
(DSS welcome)
Karen Robinson
Sunday 19th June 2011 at 9:54 pm
Wasn't it the case that things that have gone on for over 10 years without the council noticing, then they are unable to do anything!! Perhaps this could apply to Lord Alderley as well!!!
James Hadfield-Hyde
Monday 20th June 2011 at 12:13 pm
I'm saddened to experience such unnecessary vitriol from a small number of people. It has never been my intention to bully, ruin people's pleasure or deprive anyone of a living. All I asked was that Mrs Munro and I, come to an agreement whereby our respective favourite charities benefit. It was never my intention to make personal financial gain from our agreement. My point is... that Macclesfield Borough Council had no right to grant permission for something which they did not own, and that my right of ownership is respected.
Lord of Alderley
Steve Carlson
Monday 20th June 2011 at 5:32 pm
While it may be true that Mr. Hadfield-Hyde's intentions were never to bully, ruin or deprive, it is easy to see how many view these elements as part of how he operates.

I have had an interesting time on the internet and on the phone trying to figure out who this guy is. There are articles in the public domain that claim he was at one time involved in the pornography industry (AKA Lord Lust), spent time as an amateur portraiture artist (no record exists of him ever selling anything), and that he bought his title. If he did, indeed, purchase his title he is a Lord of the Manor "and buying a Lordship of the Manor does not entitle you to call yourself Lord or Lady, though, if genuine and the vendor has proved ownership, they are slices of British history." (Earl of Bradford, http://www.faketitles.com) I, for one, would like to see the proof.

Additionally, looking into how Mr. Hadfield-Hyde came to understand his claim of owning market rights brings up a couple interesting things. The Wilmslow Express claims that "James found out about his charter through a colleague in the House of Lords in the early Eighties." (6/16/2011) A telephone call today to the House of Lords' information office revealed that Mr. Hadfield-Hyde never sat in the House of Lords. As a "Lord of the Manor" he has no right to do so. Most certainly this error in reporting rests solely with the paper. In contrast to this, the article at http://www.alderleyedge.com claims that Mr. Hadfield-Hyde "learnt about his right to open markets in 1981 when he met Michael Farrow, an expert in Royal Charter Markets." (6/16/2011) Mr. Farrow is himself an interesting character and appears to have made a name for himself exploiting ancient British law for his own benefit. In 2004 one Member of Parliament called him a "parasite" for a scheme he allegedly concocted which involved a "Lord of the Manor" title he had purchased. He bought a title, sold it at a profit, but retained the land rights associated with it. He then tried to use these rights to charge homeowners for access to their property, property that bordered a Common that the fine-print stated was his and not publicly owned as previously thought. ("Plot to control Square Mile," Keith Dovkants, London Evening Standard, 12/3/2004) An expert in Royal Charters, indeed.

It may turn out that Mr. Hadfield-Hyde does own the rights to the market. Does this mean that he needs to push this right? No. A true Lord would not have to bully people around and demand to be respected. But then again, Mr. Hadfield-Hyde is no true Lord. Let there be no mistake. Regardless of what he stands to benefit, or what charity he chooses to grace, this is bullying and even if it is legal, it just isn't right.
Malcolm McClean
Monday 20th June 2011 at 5:53 pm
Perhaps it is the way you are going about it. There are three things that would help: -

1. Prove that you have the right to hold a market (see Land Registry Guidance note below). It is hardly proof to quote the word of Michael Farrow since he was in the business of selling Lordship titles like yours.
2, Even if you have the right, it does not mean that it is an exclusive right - again if you think it is prove it.
3. It's laudable that you want to raise money for charity, but I think it would be better if you did it through your own efforts rather than muscling in on somebody else's. Here's the guidance..

4 Manorial rights
4.1 Lordship title may not have the benefit of rights
A lord of the manor may exercise certain rights usually known as ‘manorial incidents’. Such rights could no longer be created after 1925. The main manorial rights can be summarised as:
— the lord’s sporting rights — the lord’s or tenant’s rights to
mines or minerals — the lord’s right to hold fairs and
markets — the lord’s or tenant’s liability for
the construction, maintenance and repair of dykes, ditches, canals and other works.
These are just examples and it does not necessarily follow that such rights are legally exercisable.
Ricky Lee
Monday 20th June 2011 at 6:20 pm
Does his lordship also have the right to the Gold found earlier this year in Alderley?
Sue Joseph
Monday 20th June 2011 at 6:25 pm
This is beginning to be rather silly. Yes it's great fun to boo the wicked Lord of Alderley but he clearly has some kind of claim however archaic in origin. All it comes down to is making sure that monies go to charities (all of which seem worthy) and that an acknowledgement is given that Macclesfield Council made an error. There appears to be no question of the Farmer's Market being stopped and once agreement is reached between his Lordship and Christine as to the charities to benefit, presumably his written permission wil be given. My only major regret is that a lovely lady has been upset and worried by all this fuss. A steam roller to crack a walnut M'lord
Simon Dewar
Monday 20th June 2011 at 8:28 pm
Are we living in the dark ages? its all a bit Blackadder. I would advise JH to keep a low profile, bringing attention to archaic laws only infuriates people, especially when executed in a patronising manor. Perhaps we should revert back to pitch folks and torches? Eventually these token titles will mean absolutely nothing, to most people they certainly do. So JH, enjoy your self-indulged fantasy while you can. There are much more important things in life to enjoy, sausages from the Alderley farmers market for one!
Christine Munro
Monday 20th June 2011 at 11:07 pm
I would like to say thank you to everyone who has made a comment about the Alderley Edge Farmers Market and myself.

I started the market 13 years ago to help the farmers in the area sell their produce. My first market had 12 farmers and producers who attended, and over the years its reputation has built up and now it has between 30-40 who attend regularly.

It hasn't been easy. There are so many easier and more comfortable ways to shop these days, and it is difficult to persuade people to get up bright and early on a Sunday morning to get that special beefsteak, pack of sausages, some delicious freshly picked fruit or vegetables or even a jar of marmalade!!

I regularly trot around the village with leaflets promoting the market and you can see me at the beginning of the week of the market, come hail, rain or shine, mallet in hand, putting my signs up on the roadside and railings reminding people the market will be coming in on the 2nd Sunday of each month. I do work hard to make it as successful as possible. Successful as a community project, successful for the customers who will have been able to buy delicious homemade, home produced, and home reared products, successful as a market, and successful for each farmer and producer who attends so they can go home and feel their day has been worthwhile.
I and the farmers and producers work as a team. I respect them and they respect and trust me to do my best for them. I love their food and I am their best customer and biggest supporter.

I also have a team of loyal supporters from The Christie who help me each month serving teas and coffees and collecting money for the hospital. I have so many reasons to be grateful to The Christie and I have worked for them raising funds for over 40 years.

I would like the market to continue in its present form. I can see no reason to change. I, and all the teams, The Christie, Farmers, Producers, and Craft Workers, work hard to keep it going and to be successful, and I would like to thank them for their work and the customers for their support.

Thank you also once again for all your kind and supportive comments.
Vin Sumner
Tuesday 21st June 2011 at 2:29 pm
I prefer to value people by their actions and deeds not their historical lineage. The time for Lords of the manor is well gone, except in some grand TV drama, or maybe in some far off land that thinks its twee. :-)
Kirsteen Peel
Tuesday 21st June 2011 at 2:46 pm
Mr Hadfield-Hyde you would, I'm sure, be subject to far less "vitriol" if you dropped the pretentious title and engaged with the community rather than meddling - assuming you have any interest in this community at all? Since your former family home, Wisaston Hall, is nowhere near Alderley anyway and since you are spending the Autumn of your life in warmer climes, how does what goes on in Alderley on the second Sunday of every month impact on you whatsoever?

This whole fiasco is laughable - Christine I do hope it is not causing you too much upset and that the AEFM can continue as normal. Since it is you who does the work, I really think it should be you who chooses which charity benefits from the proceeds of your efforts.
Ricky Lee
Tuesday 21st June 2011 at 3:16 pm
James, I can see the Stanely Estate was sold to ICI in the 1930s. At the moment someone else holds the title The Rt Hon the Lord Stanley of Alderley and his name is Thomas Henry Oliver Stanley from Debretts.

Can there be more than one Lord of Alderley?

Please can you provide more details of your claim to the title.
Leif Romell
Tuesday 21st June 2011 at 3:25 pm
Mr. James Hadfield-Hyde may have been conned and may not actually be in possession of the manorial lordship in the first place. As the (genuine) Earl of Bradford outlines on his eminent website http://www.faketitles.com/index.html, the sale of such titles is a booming industry of fraud and the vast majority of buyers are conned. The exhaustive but illuminating guide http://www.faketitles.com/Manorial-SD1.pdf provides more detail for the interested reader.
James Hadfield-Hyde
Tuesday 21st June 2011 at 6:49 pm
It appears that my only crime is to ask that my right of ownership be respected and that Mrs. Munro and myself come to an agreement which would benefit our respective favourite charities, nothing more.

It was never my intention to worry or upset her, or to allow this to become a media circus.

Out of nothing more than courtesy I shall answer your questions:

(1) Granada Television is not in the business of make pornography. The fact that I appeared in a 'Benny Hill' type show of theirs, no more links me to pornography any more than I could accuse Mr. McClean of the same, for displaying himself on the internet naked, riding a bike. It's just light hearted fun.

(2)In 1982-1986, I was Northern Chairman for the Domesday Celebrations. A national event which celebrated 900 years of Royal Administration of our Nation. During those years, regular meetings were held in the House of Lords. At no time have I ever said " I had a seat."

(3) I have never referred to myself as Lord Alderley, but Lord of Alderley, as decreed correct and proper by the late Garter King of Arms, Sir Colin Cole.

(4) I am an amateur artist, and yes, I have never sold my paintings. I did paint Christine Hamilton's portrait, which I gave to her as a gift.

(5) I have a conveyance of title to the Lordship and all ancient rights, directly from The Crown, and not from Mr. Michael Farrow or any other purveyor of such titles.

(6) With regard to my charities, I am offended by the remark that I should "do it on my own efforts rather than muscle in on somebody else's."

For 26 years I was the active Patron of the Royal Manchester Children's Hospital Research Fund. During those years, Kath Smith BEM, a small team of helpers and myself, raised over two million pounds for the Hospital.

In the early eighties, I assisted in the founding of 'Happy Days' in Luton, I was its first Secretary General. It continues to this day sending thousands of children on a holiday of a lifetime.

In 1986 I formed 'The Northern Child Care Trust' which gave equipment to The Manchester Royal Infirmary. My personal financial contribution was to take 200 handicapped children to the Christmas Pantomime every year, I did that for 20 years.

There comes a time in one's life when the baton should be passed to younger people, I have reached that time and I feel I have done my best. I was brought up in a world where Honour, Integrity, Respect and a sense of Duty were the Hallmarks by which we tried to live our lives. I am hurt by the spurious and nugatory attacks on my integrity. I have no further need to justify myself.
Dominic Brown
Tuesday 21st June 2011 at 7:54 pm
James why don't you just arrange a public meeting at the festival hall and explain what you want and reassure us that nothing negative will happen to the farmers market, it will be a better way of discussing the situation like adults instead of a website message board. I'm sure it would be well attended.
Mike Barry
Tuesday 21st June 2011 at 9:43 pm
James, professional advice, you've inspired many and appeared to achieved much but ........ just 'get a new life' before Domesday whilst you can.

Dr M D Barry
Susan Davage
Thursday 23rd June 2011 at 7:12 pm
Like him or not, James has done more for various charities than most of us will ever do in our entire lifetimes. I have know him longer than any of you. He is honest and kind and whilst a "larger than life character", he doesn't deserve such bad press - why is it people only look for the bad, not the good in people they don't know?

You may wish to ask yourselves who reported this to the press in the first place - they who always look for a juicy, even if incorrect story. As I understand it, the matter was amicably discussed in private, with a positive outcome agreed. At no stage was your market ever at risk of being closed down, nor anyone to suffer any loss as a consequence of it's existence. On the contrary, the potential benefits for both community and charities were greatly enhanced.

Alderley Edge is lucky it's James that has the LEGAL RIGHT to set up the market and not some ruthless profiteer. You may just drive him "over the Edge" by inapropriate comments which lack real knowledge of the situation.

Surely all you all want is for the market to continue and worthwhile charities to benefit. Let's hope it's not too late for this to happen.
Mike Barry
Thursday 23rd June 2011 at 10:58 pm
Susan
I have no idea who James Huddersfield Halifax Hyde is but I am struggling to understand ‘what is this about’? Whilst trying to respect your valiant comments, an observation on your views and their context: The real people who raise charitable money, done without motive or kind, too often without publicity, those without heredity, are locals, often children who each and every year raise money through Duke of Edinburgh or go and build schools in Kenya without ‘fuss’. They seek no Royal Charter privilege, nor market trading options nor livestock slaughter rights, have no conjugal rights over the May Queen nor indeed a photo- shoot for alderleyedge.com. In addition, there are adults, regrettably few in number, who just 'get on and do it'. So, as a local, to confirm, I just don’t get this? Your claim is, en bref, “we are sliming a person who has done much as a benefactor” although nobody knows him, but yet he is now seeking publicity because he wasn’t consulted upon nor indeed envited to pronounce upon …. a market? that makes money for the village. Please tell me when you expect Lord of the Manor to take Chorlegh into this century.
Claire MacLeod
Friday 24th June 2011 at 11:25 am
It strikes me that perhaps Susan is inviting the minions of Alderley Edge to reconsider their position and revise it to one of subservient gratitude, in recognition of our ( hitherto unknown )good fortune for being lorded over by a man of such generosity and humility? Whilst it may be somewhat unconventional to swoop in and claim some archaeic feudal 'right' and then use it to bully innocent 'commoners' to donate their hard-earned money to charity, surely we can all see that his intentions are without fault and, indeed, we are, as Susan says, LUCKY!
Kirsteen Peel
Friday 24th June 2011 at 11:43 am
Well said Claire.
Also I'm curious to know if Susan is a resident of Alderley Edge...
Mike Healing
Friday 24th June 2011 at 1:23 pm
What amazes me is how so many seemingly intelligent people have singularly failed to understand the point at issue here, and how defensive they are of that misunderstanding of the situation. I fail to understand how, if you take the trouble to read the article in the Wilmslow Express, you come to the conclusion that Mr Hadfield-Hyde is trying to close the market down. As he told the WE “It’s in the interest of all concerned that Alderley Farmers’ Market prospers and I hope the people of Alderley continue to give it their fullest support". Hardly comments to be attributed to someone trying to close the market! Again, if you read the article properly, you will see that the dispute is with the Local Authority who initially granted the permission to Mrs Munro.

Ignoring the juvenile elements of Mr Barry's retort he is right in saying most people involved in charitable works just 'get on and do it'. Maybe, just maybe, this is why you all claim to have never heard of Mr Hadfield-Hyde. He just got on and DID it !!!! A fact that could have been verified by the beneficiaries of his work, the organisations concerned and their audited accounts.

It seems that the amateur sleuths amongst you have surfed the net (and god knows what other methods) in an attempt to denegrate this man - who has an issue not with the people of Alderley Edge but the Local Authority. Remember the saying - 'Actions speak louder than words' - especially when those words are harvested from a conglomeration of web-sites.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Be careful what you wish for - the Royal Charter could have been passed to someone far less interested in the continuance of a market in Alderly Edge.
Kirsteen Peel
Friday 24th June 2011 at 2:24 pm
Perhaps you too have missed a point Mike. This man, Lord or no lord, has nothing to do with Alderley Edge, he doesn't live here and after 13 years he decides to challenge a market that has no impact on him or his life and which has been no trouble to him or anyone else. The money IS going to charity anyway, so why does he see the need to interfere as he has already has stated he wishes no financial gain?
Susan Davage
Friday 24th June 2011 at 2:36 pm
I've said my piece and those carping should ask themselves what they have done for good causes. That you haven't hear of him says that he has done it low key himself. It wasn't he that went to the press - who was it and why?
Christine Munro
Friday 24th June 2011 at 4:29 pm
The first I knew of any press involvement was when I received a telephone call from The Wilmslow Express on Friday 10th June to say one of their reporters had had an interview with James Hadfield Hyde at Wilmslow Library and she asked for my comments. I gave none. The Alderley Edge Farmers Market was held on Sunday 12th June.
Mike Healing
Friday 24th June 2011 at 5:21 pm
Quite the opposite Kirsteen. You and others make the point that Mr Hadfield-Hyde does not live in Alderley Edge. I have done some basic research myself and discovered that it was Mr Hadfield-Hyde who actually initiated a market in Alderley Edge some 30 years ago, despite opposition from local councillors. And guess what ....... he didn't live in Alderley Edge then either. You can't have it both ways.

Neither was he a resident of Salford, during the 26 years that he was patron to the Royal Manchester Childrens Hospital Research Equipment Fund, when the hospital was in Pendlebury. Thank goodness that generosity of time and effort does not recognise geographical boundaries!

Again reference to the original article will also demonstrate that Mrs Munro did in fact give her comments to the Wilmslow Express despite comments to the contrary.

Although I'm sure it wasn't their intention the comments by Cheshire East Council in the same article clearly demonstrate that neither it nor Macclesfield Borough Council have/had the right to intervene. Therefore MBC was in breach by granting permission 13 years ago, and those same comments underwrite Mr Hadfield-Hyde's dispute with the council.
Dominic Brown
Friday 24th June 2011 at 8:09 pm
A couple of points, I understand James saying he does not want the market to close and he thinks it's important but if you put pressure on the local council they may think to avoid any more repercussions lets just close it as a easy option.
My second point is about the charities, now like everybody else I like to see charities get donated money and the thought of more charities benefiting is not a bad thing but is Christine still expected to put all her time and effort into the market but the difference being her chosen charity only gets half of what its used to?

I think it would have been best if this matter had not surfaced.
Frank Keegan
Saturday 25th June 2011 at 7:39 am
This may be unrelated, but have they done tests to decide whether the cannabis farms which were found in Nether Alderley have not affected the locals who breathe the air?

I have heard that waccy baccy can sometimes impair the thought processes.

On the subject of Markets, the Macclesfield Borough Council decision was that markets could legitimately be held if they were six and two thirds miles from Macclesfield Market Square. Chelford, Alderley et al are outwith that distance. Carry on up the market!
James Hadfield-Hyde
Sunday 26th June 2011 at 8:18 am
I thank Mr Healing for his intelligent observation and accurate analysis of the FACTS.

Ownership of property and the right to protect it is sacrosanct to all of us who live in this country. In this case, it is Macclesfield Borough Council who are the rogues.They granted permission to hold a market without informing Mrs.Monro that she needed to consult with the owner of the Royal Charter. They cannot simply say they were unaware that it existed. The Grant is listed in the Royal Charters of Cheshire next to their own.

Even at this late stage, and after having to endure all the cruel and vitriolic attacks on my integrity, I still ask that my ownership be respected and that conciliation prevails.
Lord of Alderley
Steve Carlson
Sunday 26th June 2011 at 9:28 am
While your persona as the self-styled Lord of Alderley is not the issue here, may I suggest that it may be part of the reason that you are seen as a bully in this case. Indeed, you are swooping in as the "Lord" and trying to wedge yourself into a situation that you (other than having purchased a piece of paper) have no right of involvement. To claim some of the monies that the Market produces for charity for doing nothing is ridiculous, no matter what you did in the past. Furthermore, according to the Peerage Office of the House of Lords, you are not entitled to call yourself simply "Lord of Alderley". If you insist on using this title, please use it properly: Mr. James Hadfield-Hyde, The Lord of the Manor of Alderley. Even then, folks who don't know better may think you are a Peer, which you are not. Since you are not no one need call you Lord - Lord Lust maybe.
Mike Barry
Sunday 26th June 2011 at 7:41 pm
I’m indebted to M Healing for recognising, with courtesy, my hereditary title of “Mr” notwithstanding my juvenile comments; extremely gracious when considered in the context of the debate. However, I wish to point to a significant detail cited in an earlier correspondence that clearly has not been recognised or assimilated. My title, since 1985, without transfer of assets, cash, kind or through liaisons, is “Dr”. I believe my right of title should be respected.

To Fenton, Malcolm, Dominic, Heather, Kikoula, Simon (I know you have a couple of Lords who turn up to buy your fine wines,…), Vin, Ricky, Mike N, Kirsteen, Steve, Karen, Christine, Claire and just about every human on the planet, ‘Mike’ is just fine.
Simon Dewar
Sunday 26th June 2011 at 9:40 pm
Mike, i've always liked my juvenile side, you should embrace yours. It keeps the mind young and fresh, whereas the word Lord makes me think of someone 'old' 'out of touch' and 'bored'.
Vin Sumner
Monday 27th June 2011 at 2:13 pm
Just back from Glastonbury, this story would be a good tale from the stone circle, as for land ownership then we all hold in trust for the earth itself and should take care :-)
Claire MacLeod
Monday 27th June 2011 at 3:26 pm
For goodness sake, James, why can't you leave this (and the farmers' market) alone? You've made your point, and I think the comments above reflect the manner in which it has been received here in the village. Your intervention is not welcome. Nor is your insistance that you are driven by altruism. If your primary concern is to donate funds to your charity of choice, then go ahead. Quietly, please, without causing anyone any upset. Why do you need to stir up a hornets' nest on a 'matter of principle'? Clearly those people who run the market and those who are its customers are not to blame for a regretable error made 13 years ago by MBC. You are not going to win objectors over with your endless cries of 'victim', when you continue to maintain your 'sacrosanct right' to 'protect your property'. My advice would be to bow out gracefully.