Call for patients to aid purchase of new medical equipment

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In March Alderley Edge Medical Practice expects to relocate to the new medical centre which is currently under construction at the front of the Festival Hall.

However, the practice has revealed that they cannot afford to purchase the equipment required to kit out the new centre so they have asked their Patient Participation Group to raise funds towards this.

The new premises is being built by Alderley Edge Parish Council, who own the building, and rented to the practice for an annual rent of £135,000 over a lease period of 21 years.

NHS England is providing a capital grant of £500,000 towards the building costs, which is being paid to the Parish Council as an advance rent once the building has been signed off.

A notice on the Medical Practice website says "In the past the NHS would have also funded the cost of necessary new equipment and fixtures. Due to cost constraints they will no longer do this. They will also not pay for the telephone system.

"The practice will re-use as much of the equipment and fixtures as possible from George Street. However, we need new equipment for the extra consulting and treatment rooms. The practice also has to provide waiting room and consulting room furniture which complies with current infection control guidelines. The practice also would like to provide electric "plinth" type couches for all consulting rooms. These raise and lower to allow infirm patients to get on and off easily.

"The doctors will have the cost of the new phone system, plus the costs of separating the George Street building back into 3 individual buildings, and all the moving costs. The practice simply can't afford the new equipment, which is why the practice has asked our Patient Participation Group to raise funds towards this. With your help we can make sure that our new medical centre is fully equipped to give our patients the best possible care."

Amongst the equipment required are consultation room equipment priced £1300, treatment room couches at £900, waiting room chairs costing £120 each, office desk and chair at £350, set of three child seats for the waiting room at £350 and dressing trolley costing £300.

See www.alderleyedgegp.co.uk to make donations.

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Alderley Edge Medical Centre, Festival Hall
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Comments

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David Carey
Tuesday 26th January 2016 at 3:22 pm
If they are paying those sort of prices I now know why the NHS is struggling
Terry Bowes
Tuesday 26th January 2016 at 4:38 pm
Some shopping around and some serious haggling required here.!!
Graham Morgan
Tuesday 26th January 2016 at 6:33 pm
What a joke. GP's earning 6 figure salaries asking the general public to fund their own business!!!
Barry Buxton
Tuesday 26th January 2016 at 11:29 pm
They should have thought of this before deciding to move premises!
Stuart Gatley
Wednesday 27th January 2016 at 5:57 am
I must say these costs can not of been a surprize. Who ever is managing the budget may have some questions to answer. Quite bold asking for support of a few thousand considering the magnitude of other costs involved.
Susan Dawson
Wednesday 27th January 2016 at 8:34 am
Good morning.
What is happening to the money from the sale of the property at the George Street premises?
Duncan Herald
Wednesday 27th January 2016 at 11:09 am
Hi Ho,

at last the new P.C. and the old P.C. have something in common; both will get blamed ???
Pete Taylor
Wednesday 27th January 2016 at 4:25 pm
I fail to see how anyone can reasonably blame the new PC. To be frank, all this started before they picked up the baton.
I can't help thinking that the blame for lack of equipment funding might lay elsewhere: http://bit.ly/20sLyig
Duncan Herald
Wednesday 27th January 2016 at 5:04 pm
Hi Susan D.,

if my memory serves me right; the George St. practice embraced a house plus part of a house. The part house was rented. The funds from the sale of the whole house, owned by the practice, will go to the partners who were 'involved' in its purchase. These gentlemen are, I think, now retired.

If I have any part of that wrong, then I apologise.
Carole Davies
Wednesday 27th January 2016 at 8:58 pm
Does the existing practice not occupy three houses?
DELETED ACCOUNT False Name (Louise Gray)
Thursday 28th January 2016 at 7:54 am
How about a certain Swedish Superstore Doctors and Practice manager. They will even deliver (for a slight extra) and paying a handyman to assemble the flat packs will still save you. I agree with above commentators who have questioned your costings. This is all about shopping around and it can be done in a trice. This was part of my job for many years and the Internet can allow you to source items such as office equipment in seconds. These are utterly ridiculous projected costs and show that the NHS buyers are being a little lazy. Sorry I will not be subbing you on this you are already grabbing an enforced rise on our parish precept. Harsh but fair. £115 for a child's chair is utter tosh. Who the heck are your suppliers.....
Susan Parker
Saturday 30th January 2016 at 9:25 pm
Children's chair:

http://bit.ly/1QOoGag

And at £10 it's not even their cheapest. They do one for £7.
Peter Watson
Sunday 31st January 2016 at 11:13 am
I may be oversimplifying this but is the Medical Practice a partnership? This makes it a commercial entity which receives money from the NHS and is responsible for its receipts and outgoings. If the outgoings are less than the receipts then the partners pocket the money. Any money they don't pocket remains in the partnership. So if there is no money for basic, essential equipment does it not mean that the partners have to put their hands in their pockets to provide it?

Alternatively they could take out a loan to purchase the assets required for the practice to function. Is this not what thousands of businesses do? The Medical Practice provides a vital service to the community, just in the same way as a plumbing company or garage might. Would those companies really expect donations from their customers if they needed a new van or hydraulic ramp?
Geoff Hall
Monday 1st February 2016 at 3:54 pm
Can I just clarify: this has nothing to do with the cost of building the new Medical Centre, so neither the current nor the previous Parish Council has any involvement.

It relates to equipping the inside of the Medical Centre, which is the responsibility of the NHS. In the past such expenditure by the doctors would have been covered by the NHS, but that is no longer the case.
DELETED ACCOUNT False Name (Louise Gray)
Wednesday 3rd February 2016 at 3:24 pm
Great answers, and this one is directed at Mr Hall there is no excusing the procurement officer at the Surgery. This may or may not be the Practice Manager. Who came up with these ridiculous figures for a child's chair? Why is nobody challenging this culture of "think of a number and treble it" which suppliers to the NHS have. If these figures were passed on to the Surgery on an NHS procurement spreadsheet the staff should ignore them. This is a little bit of laziness as google can match prices in 10 seconds. So "no can do" from me until someone can come up with a set of figures for us folk in the real world. As an aside no wonder the NHS is haemorriging money if people do not challenge certain suppliers outrageous pricing....
Geoff Hall
Wednesday 3rd February 2016 at 5:13 pm
I note your question, Louise, addressed to me. As this is not a Parish Council matter, I regret I cannot help you further.

If you want me to guess then I would suspect that the numbers given are just indicative and you are underestimating the skills (as well as the workload) of a group of very caring people who serve our community well, supported by volunteers on the Patient Participation Group. I am sure the PPG would welcome some practical help if you came forward to offer it.
DELETED ACCOUNT False Name (Louise Gray)
Saturday 6th February 2016 at 12:47 pm
Hi again Geoff I appreciate this is not a PC matter. I really meant to address the reply to you as another forum user so sorry for the confusion. And yes you are right the Patient Participation Group do an amazing job as volunteers I am sure,and it was not my intent to "knock" them. When I can free up some of my own time in a few years (family growing up and responsibilities in shared care for my own elderly parents, work commitments etc ) I fully intend looking into volunteering,however now is not the time regrettably ;( But, and this is a huge but, I stand by my observation 100%. I was not criticising well intentioned volunteers I was commenting on NHS employees. My sister worked in Admin at the Westminster Hospital and then for a private Medical group in Wimpole Street. She has further worked in NHS clinics and back to private again. Her observation over the years has been that it is hard to change some of the ingrained culture re procurement and purchasing in the NHS. Some shrug their shoulders helplessly and say "what can we do" and one of her former bosses who had a more than cozy relationship with a supplier and accepted his crazy prices without question. Notwithstanding this there is huge waste in NHS procurement and in 2012 it was identified as being £1.7 billion in overspend. One of the reasons for this overspend is there is no centralised purchasing system and the need for the use of E technology for purchasing supplies and providing transparency of data and pricing."NHS trusts are behind the curve and need to invest in e-procurement systems to improve their processes" (this is from a 2012 Coalition Goverment Document entitled NHS Procurement. Raising our game p.14 ). I imagine overspend is even higher today and yes I appreciate we now have an exclusively Tory Government whom many feel wish to dismantle the NHS but even the Green Party stated in their Manifesto that purhasing should be centralised to cut costs and wastage. Overcharging by suppliers should be a criminal offence (and this is before we even start to tackle the ruthlessness of some Pharma companies who regard our NHS as a "cash cow".) And I am afraid the practice manager (or whoever is responsible for procurement) at the surgery is still capable of looking at IKEA. Working for the NHS does not mean one is an automatic Saint and above critique. I am not the only person on this thread who has questioned these ridiculous prices and there is no defence IMHO
DELETED ACCOUNT False Name (Louise Gray)
Saturday 6th February 2016 at 2:49 pm
It would be interesting to perhaps hear a spokesperson from the Alderley Edge Medical Practice put up a defence, rebuttal or a reply to all those who have commented on the above thread......
Vin Sumner
Sunday 7th February 2016 at 2:20 pm
I just get the feeling that there are loose ends all around the Festival Hall/Medical Centre "project" which does suggest either some lack of foresight somewhere and overuse of backs of envelopes ... and of course no one is responsible ... as is the way today .. :-)
Bernard Pearce
Sunday 7th February 2016 at 11:59 pm
If I need equipment for my business I have to purchase it myself and then claim the costs back against revenue. I had thought that the medical practice and their practictioners were actually a private sector operation, albeit funded by the public sector, but whatever the structure, they should surely expect to fund their own set up and operating costs shouln't they? Or is this just a one-way process where funding is concerned?

Perhaps self-funding might focus the minds on more realistic purchasing options!