Councils have no idea who put new signs up

Two new signs have mysteriously appeared on Horseshoe Lane which neither Cheshire East Council or Alderley Edge Parish Council installed and neither of them know who did.

The first sign close to the junction with Wilmslow Road announces that the speed limit on the road is 10mph and the second, located further round and outside some houses, states that only permit holders can park there between 9am and 9pm from Monday to Saturday.

The signage was raised at the Parish Council meeting on Monday 9th November because they had received a letter from Emersons enquiring about it.

Geoff Hall, Chairman of Alderley Edge Parish Council, said "A parking restriction sign has appeared on Horseshoe Lane, people seem to have assumed it was put up by us. Mike Taylorson has been to see it. It has not been put up by us but they seem to have linked it to our parking review. We have responded to Emersons."

Speaking after the meeting Geoff Hall said that the Parish Council thinks they may have been put there by a local resident and added "I'm also told that the sign is on private land so not in any case within the jurisdiction of either CEC or AEPC."

A spokesperson for Cheshire East said "Cheshire East Council have not installed the signs on Horseshoe Lane. At present we do not know who did."

I am waiting for confirmation from CEC as to whether they intend to remove the signs or whether, given it is a private road, people are allowed to put their own parking and speed limit signs up.

Horseshoe Lane


Here's what readers have had to say so far. Why not add your thoughts below.

Susan Parker
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 3:12 pm
Well, apart from their dubious legality, they look awful.
Jon Williams
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 3:19 pm
Nothing wrong with them and they ARE on private road, they should not be touched.
Bob Bracegirdle
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 4:45 pm
What fun! They look good to me.
Stuart Redgard
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 4:50 pm
If "they ARE" on private land then I assume that the owner of the land has applied for planning permission as they are "Advertising Signage" which requires planning permission.
Stuart Redgard
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 5:00 pm
According to the Cheshire East Council interactive map Horseshoe Lane is NOT an adopted highway. By definition this therefore makes it an Unadopted highway or Private Road.

More information on Unadopted Highways can be found at
Andrew Muncaster
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 5:02 pm
Agree with Jon and Bob. If they make the area safer for young and old, and they look professional to me, where's the harm. What about a speed camera warning?
Jon Williams
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 7:23 pm
Stuart "Advertising Signage"
What are they advertising ?
Fiona Braybrooke
Tuesday 17th November 2015 at 10:17 pm
I guess the question is who will be enforcing the speed limit and permit holders parking? It would be interesting to travel over 10mph on this road !
Martin Dixon
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 12:08 am
Would anyone have an objection if I just took the signs away. They are obviously not official and nobody has claimed them as their property. I think I am within my rights to do that, but I have no legal qualifications. I wonder if anyone with more legal knowledge could correct me?
Jon Williams
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 11:40 am
Martin, would that not be stealing, as they are owned by someone, also you are taking the assumption that all of Alderley Edge read this site - they don't !
Susan Parker
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 12:35 pm
I think they look amateurish. They are not metal, but printed on (plastic?) card. And they are trying to pass themselves off as 'official' signage by aping the iconography and typeface of official signage.
Duncan Herald
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 6:58 pm
its an unadopted road, not a private road
and none of who live there have any idea who put the signs up; a jolly xmas jape?
live long and prosper.
Martin Dixon
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 7:58 pm

Could you help me with understanding the difference between a 'Private Road' and an 'Unadopted Road;?

I am interested in something you said; are you really saying that no one who lives on Horseshoe Lane knows who put up the signs? Clearly someone does. If you know nothing about what happens on your street how can anyone believe that you have any idea of what goes on in the wider world?

How do you feel about the signs?
Paul Hutchinson
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 8:33 pm
Martin - Perhaps its the people at Select homes warning their employees that there are children around?
Alan Brough
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 8:38 pm
I may be mistaken (wont be the first time!) but didn't some "dodgy" signs appear in Horseshie Lane in the run-up to the last local election?

I seem to recall something being fixed to lamp posts promising residents of Horseshie Lane and Lynton Lane some sort of parking privileges if they did the "right thing."

Could there be a connection? I think we should be told.
Pete Taylor
Wednesday 18th November 2015 at 9:55 pm
Frankly, as this appears to be an unadopted road, if the residents want to deter unauthorised parking, perhaps they could paint double Lyme Green lines? ;-)
Thursday 19th November 2015 at 12:42 pm
I'm more intrigued by the statement "they had received a letter from Emerson enquiring about it". I thought nothing happened in Alderley Edge and Wilmslow without them knowing about it.
Terry Bowes
Thursday 19th November 2015 at 3:54 pm
Fairbourne Ave is an unadopted road.(not private)
All it means to us is we get no council services apart from changing the 2 light bulbs.
They even paint 2 lines across the paths when the weedkill or road sweeper teams come round to let them know not to do our Ave.
Mind you we still pay the same council tax as everyone else!!
Duncan Herald
Thursday 19th November 2015 at 6:42 pm
Hi Terry,
tell me about it! We have to provide light bulbs for our street lights! reduced council tax? Ho Ho Ho!
And before people get sarcastic, remember that C.E. are looking to spread these untoward habits; it could be you next!
Fiona Braybrooke
Thursday 19th November 2015 at 11:06 pm
I would like to comment that when you purchased your property I assume you were aware of all of this? So why are you complaining about it? Horseshoe lane has been an unaddopted road for the longest time. If you don't like it then why not move and it would solve a problem
Alan Brough
Friday 20th November 2015 at 11:13 am
Hi Fiona,

Unfortunately, people suffer with delusions of grandeur and will often "adapt" the law to suit there own nefarious purposes.

They wont realise that by imitating real road signs they are causing confusion and thereby undermining road safety.

Fortunately, one of our former local councillors lives on Horseshie Lane and I feel certain that he will be sufficiently embarrassed by this to get out pronto and tear them down.
Paul Hutchinson
Friday 20th November 2015 at 11:50 am
Alan - if the council won't change light bulbs, I'm pretty certain they wont put up road signs. That road is used countless times by people trying to avoid traffic coming into the village. Why do you have a problem with the local residents of that road warning drivers that there may be children playing in what should be a safe area?
Duncan Herald
Friday 20th November 2015 at 2:02 pm
Hi Fiona,
when I bought my house, the street lamps were owned and serviced by C.C.C.
At some stage, C.E. decided to cease servicing the street lamps. But they didn't bother to tell any of us. We only found out when a bulb went and we 'phoned to ask 'them' to replace it; as was usual.
When I 'phoned C.E. (had M.B.C. transmogrified into C.E.C. by then?), they accepted that they owned the lights but didn't have to service them! I asked (jokingly) whether we the occupants could therefor remove the lights and sell them! Oh No. Would our Council Tax be reduced? Oh No!
So do you want me to sell my house, as C.E. have reuced the service it provides without lowering its charges? Oh what a wicked, merciless capitalist you are!

May I remind you of Martin Niemoller's paragraph?

I have asked several of my neighbours about the strange new signs on Horseshoe Lane'; no-one has told me that they know ought about it. Nor do I.

For those interested, 'Residents Permits' are (C.E. tells me) designed for streets where there is no off-street parking i.e. terraced rows. So if you live on a terraced houses street, there y' go.

you are quite right.
Horseshoe Lane is used as a 'rat-run'; we put up with it 'cos there is a right-of-way there, so no choice. Most evenings there are school children walking along the Lane; hopefully (so far) safely.
Each time I see a damaged car (those cobbles can be deadly!), I try to be sympathetic!

you are advising me to 'tear down' someone else's property?
Oh Tush; you outlaw you!
Friday 20th November 2015 at 5:19 pm
How did you manage to get lighting on an unadopted road? Does someone important live there? The alternative is there a public right of way through it - if so the Council would have responsibility surely for maintaining adequate lighting on a public right of way which is also a residential street.
Duncan Herald
Friday 20th November 2015 at 5:40 pm
HI Jackie,
you write good sense; alas C.E. don't agree!
The road was, at some stage, not unadopted I believe. So the old Cheshire County Council put in lights and maintained them.
Then the 'powers-that-be' decided to save themselves some dosh!
No one important enough to 'sway' C.E. lives on the Lane; we're just 'plain ol' folks'.
Fiona Braybrooke
Friday 20th November 2015 at 7:51 pm
Hi Duncan.
So you are saying that when you moved in the road WAS adopted? I don't think it was.
Wow what an amazing thing happened, out of nowhere these signs appeared on private land. I wonder if you might need to look at your security, surly if someone can erect a sign outside your house without you or any of your neighbours noticing what else might people be doing?
I think you like those signs being there, otherwise you would have removed them. Simples.
Maybe this could be linked with the opening of The two new restaurants round the corner.
Martin Dixon
Friday 20th November 2015 at 8:14 pm

I am sorry, but I simply do not believe you.
Duncan Herald
Friday 20th November 2015 at 8:37 pm
Hi Fiona,
the signs are not outside my house, they are down the Lane a ways.

The only new sign remaining (I am told that Emersons remover the other one as it was on the frontage of a block of flats that Emersons manage for the residents), is embedded in the soil in front of another house; if you desperately want it removing, go talk to the owner of the house?

I neither like nor dislike the sign; I have no interest in it.

As to security: I would guess that any sign-errecting 'humourist' could errect a sign on pretty much any street in the village. Perhaps you could challenge that by naming in public i.e. here, the street on which you live?

I would assume that the signs were put up during darkness, otherwise someone would have seen; I can't see it being a 5-minute job (I am told that the signs were embedded in concrete). I don't usually prowl around my neighbourhood at night. You however seem to be well clued up on that!

You'll have to try to find out if there is any connection with restaurants; if you mean that someone is trying to avoid the cars of restaurant customers then why not add a little validity to your suggestion by consulting the restaurants as to whether or not they have made arrangements for their customers to park. Of course you'd have to tear yourself away from your computer and actually go do something!
Jon Williams
Friday 20th November 2015 at 8:55 pm
Is it "pick on Duncan" week again, get a life guys and girls.
Paul Hutchinson
Friday 20th November 2015 at 8:58 pm
Fiona/Martin - same question to you as it was to Alan. Why do you have a problem with signage that highlights the fact that children may be playing in the area?
Duncan Herald
Saturday 21st November 2015 at 10:30 am
Hi Jon,
ta for the support (if that's what it was). I have a broad back and anyway, we must give those few poor souls somewhere to vent their dark side?

A moment of fantasy now; mayhaps to start a new skein?

If we were to ask Nigella to produce a recipe, to cook up a new 'attack dog' ? Here goes my starter:
step 1 with a sharp knife, cut away any excess fair-mindedness
step 2 marinate overnight in a bowl of bile

anyone care to join in? or am I being unkind to the poor souls?

Have a good w'end and don't let any signs creep up on you!
Alan Brough
Saturday 21st November 2015 at 1:19 pm
Hi Paul,

I have no problem with signage warning that children are at play providing it is not made to look like an "official" Highways Agency sign.

But my main issue is with the false and selfish parking restriction sign that's intended to look "official" and which just serves to move a parking to someone else's back yard.

I have the same problem with the attitude of the person on Woodbrook Road in Alderley Edge who had double yellow lines painted because he didn't like cars parking there whilst people walked on The Edge - completely illegal and selfish.

I'm not having a dig at Duncan but I had to chuckle when I saw him quote Pastor Niemoller........."then they came for the Allotment Holders"
Martin Dixon
Saturday 21st November 2015 at 4:44 pm

So if someone doesn't agree with you, you call them an "attack dog". I think that might be seen as a little impolite and over-dramatic.
Duncan Herald
Saturday 21st November 2015 at 5:41 pm

it warms the cockles of my heart to have you amused at my little whimsicality !